Well, I don't know, but I think Galby taught Murtagh the same magic that Morzan taught Selena.

Well I think that from elements Eragon wanted to drain power. There wasn't even a single word about using elements in spell (sry if I missunderstand something...)

i think i can clear this up.....i hope galby can minipulate peoples and things and thier energy so when he forced murtagh to do the oath it infused him with great powersjust like his dragon shirukin he was good then galby did his minipulate thing and made him turn evil.........

I think that Murtagh got the power from a jewel like Eragons you know how he had that belt. and i think he got the power from pure practice.

mabye, but i am thinkin that if galby has learned how to manipulate elements of nature, like Eragon can to living creatures. i recall that Murtagh said that galby rediscovered words in the ancient language that even the elves were afraid to say. or something like that. it just seems to me that murtagh couldnt beat out a better foe without some type of rediculous magic. the way he was able to hold Eragon and Saphira in place for so long and such a great distance, as it said murtagh only released the magic after he had passed the horizon. so i just am curious. please if yall have any other ideas id would also love to hear em'

Murtagh wasn't tired when he killed dwaf king so could JUST use some kind of assassinatign spell (he could kill only one person with this spell, Eragons killed many people...)

but he killed all of the magicians protecting him tho

Yeah because they were helping to dwarven king! They all were like one! If they didn't try to save king they will (probabaly) still live!

clear me up if im wrong, but cant eragon take energy from other people? if so, why didnt he take it from his foes? he could have killed the ones he took it from and used that to kill the others, rite?

I agree with rider jones. I re-read Eldest yesterday (skipping those ridiculous roran bits) and was like "just take their energy while your there you loser, you did it to Oromis accidently do it to enemies and shiznik"

the roran bits played a role in the large picture of the book.

hmmm......... rider jones I like your style. I agree that he plays a major role in the big picture etc but I still didn't like the chapters about him...... well. not so much that I didn't like them just that I didn't like them as MUCH as the eragon and saphira chapters. Also the elva and nasuada chapters. Anyway I think once you've read the roran bits you dont need to read them again so I didn't the second time round. woah a ramble bamble shamble............

ya, i didnt much care for the nasuda sections. it was informative but not as important as some of the other parts of the book.

yeah.... still wouldn't read them more than once.........

You know how Murtagh said Galby discoverd words that were lost before? I think he used those.

sure he did. but why wasnt eragon taught them? and i still want to know why eragon didnt use the energy from his enimies.

i think the dark forbidden magic murtaugh uses will dystroy him

why would the magic be forbidden?the only way it would destroy him is if he uses all his magic.

because of the magicians guarding them and galby found out a secret to increase ur powers.

it says this in the book

hi people i am new. In my opnion galby taught mutreg how to countrel energy because in eldest mourtag cast a ruby red ball of energy wich killed the dwarf king

hehe, you spelled murtagh wrong both times! No offence...

Maybe, I don't know. Well we can't be sure yet.

well im sure that he spelled it wrong

its stinks i havent finished eldest yet so i dont know what type of magic he uses but i think that it must have to do with mostly mid control because gabby really good at that



(speaking of magic i made a cool spell) thrysta knifr brisingr ganga fram jierda!

lol but still to get back on topic i think it must deal with mind control...

dark, demonic, magic, that makes people gooooooooo KABOOOOOOMMMMOM

What's the rider for in rider_jones? Just that one of my friends uses that often as his interent name.

Eragon didn't use his drain energy thing because of the other magicans and he could drain from his men

I think (like I said) it has to be intertwined with mind control.

i like the words MIND CONTROL

my fave word r "flame retardent" lol.....may b murtagh was taking the energy from some magic users that r on his team....

OOOOOKKKKK! Let me refer you guys to Page 640 of Eldest that reads as follow:

"Saphira did not answer him but roared out with her thoughts at the other dragon, Traitor! Egg breaker, oath breaker, murderer! Then as one, she and Eragon assualted the minds of the pair, seeking to overwhelm their defenses. The consciousness of the Rider felt stange to Eragon, as if it contained multitude: scores of distintinc voices whispered in the caverns of his mind, '"


The reader is clearly told through Murtagh that Galbatorix had discovered the lost words and some ancient spells; but here we have a couple of things going on that is really food for thought.

When they both, (Saphira and Eragon), assault the mind of rider and dragon,(Murtagh and Thorn)
felt strange to Eragon, as if it contained multitudes; scores of distinct voices"

Doesn't this sound way familiar? Wasn't this something similar to what happened to Eragon when he killed Durza? Do you remember that "With one last cry, Durza was rent from head to toe. rleasing the darkness. which separated into three entities who flew through Tronjheim's walls and out of Farthen Dur." (Eragon P 491)

Has Galbatorix forced Murtagh to accept spirits that would give him the strength and power Durza had? Now, do not misunderstand me; I am NOT saying Murtagh is a Shade.

But if he is under Galbatorix's total control, he has no say on who and what he may have had to agree upon.


Pay attention to the phrase: "like imprisoned spirits begging for release." What do you make of this?

That's a good point, but what's the difference between that and being a shade?

I really don't know. But it sounds scary.

it sounds like it might be possibe

I am just trying to find the logic possibilities. But this particular one I do not like at all.

i think it a good theory i personally did not connect the shade with the voices

I had a big impact on me, that's why I noticed it.

but maybe its not spirits but something else


but what i have not a clue

I agree. It could be something totally different. Who knows?

o i think that the voices have something to do with it i just dont know what ( i dont think there spirits though)

It's just that when I read those lines I paniced. Here they are:
"The consciousness of the Rider felt strage to Eragon, as if it contained multitudes; scores of distinct voices whispered in the caverns of his mid, like imprisoned spirits begging for release." Eldest,
P 640

maybe it has something to do with the vault of souls or maybe its some souls galby captured from the riders and they give you the power of the rider and you can transfer them from person to person and thats how he is so strong

u got alot of evidence about murtagh being a shade
i can't find a flaw in it
that could be a twist CP put in anny B

the sprits remenber everthing they could still work for galby and control murtagh or 1 of his magicans
but i don't think a dragon would allow a shade on it

and i doubt it plague

PLEASE, I AM BEGGING YOU JORDAN< PLS READ MY FIRST POST WITH MY THOUGHTS!

I am not saying that Murtagh may be a Shade or that he is a Shade. I am just pointing out the fact of the similarities betwen the memories or consciousness of the two.


And Yes, I agree, I do not think a dragon wouls allow a Shade to ride it.

As if the spirits work for Galbatorix, I do not know if they are under his payroll, but the spirits take over a certain person or body and Murtagh is already under Galbatorix's influence because of the oaths he was forced to make.

"like imprisoned spirits begging for release"

That doesn't sound like evil spirits. Evil spirits seek to possess humans, I doubt they would be begging for release.

I don't know it sounds to me as if Murtagh sub-consciously was asking to escape, to run away or to be freed; from what and who, I don't know.
-from his past? -from servitude under Galbatorix?, -from almost 20yrs of unhappiness?

Could it maybe be like the battle of the forces of good and evil fighting for dominance inside his head?

The sad thing here is thathe had his "Morzan" moments before the twins gave him a living nightmare. So we do not know if he will ever turn to the light side.

Maybe, just maybe it was divine magic.

Where did that come from?

I think dawn warrior is a dungeons and dragons fan

their are two different types of magic in that divine and i can't remember the other

Yup, but divine means gods. Murtagh may be using magic granted by gods. Wizard magic is arcane.

Thanks for the 411. I haven't read that series; yet!

i knew it began with an "A" but back on topic

What is it that you think happened? Besides the fact that Galbatorix trained him?

i think it maybe the trapped sould of the old riders

Sorry, couldn't understand you.

Could be an artifact.

I am just concerned that by the end of the book, CP left the door open to the reader to believe that Murtagh had become very powerful, and even if Eragon was tired, and had depleted the resources of his magic during battle, Murtagh had used some powerful spells that Eragon question himself how did he do it?

maybe he found a way to draw power straight from galby like eragon did to oromis

maybe he learnt of ancient spells from galby shorting the lenght and maybe murtagh incresed his magic strenght

Maybe Galby is dead now and he just took over Murtagh like a shade would.

i think that he is drawing strength from galby liek eragon did to oromis when he killed the bugs and mouse

Why do none of you guys think that it could be divine magic?

i dont know i just dont think it is

It would explain why Murtagh had better magic then Eragon because his god granted to him.

wht if they have the same god

What do you mean Eragon and Murtagh?

wht ur the one that mentioned murtagh and eragon

i dont think what they believe has anything to do with the magic. the elfs dont believe in any god and they are extreamly powerful.

Eragon the first elf said: maybe he learnt of ancient spells from galby shorting the lenght and maybe murtagh incresed his magic strenght



Both theories are a good possibility. We will know someday..., but not any day soon!

well that doesent help anyone.

It's not a matter of helping anyone, dear. It just is.
As Saphira told Eragon: "Sometimes there are no answers."

All we can do is keep guessing and coming up with more questions and doubts as to what was it that Galbatorix taught Murtagh that he suddenly come out so strong in magic.

but why didnt eragon do more? he had the power to do more but he didnt, why?

If Murtagh and Eragon had the same god, first which is unlikely as Murtagh's god was be most likely evil. But if they did have the same god and were fighting then it would come down to who the god favored the most.

I think you are confusing or mixing this series with anotther!!! What you are writing makes no sense under the lnheritance Series

i didn't understand wat they were sayin
maybe CP will tell us a piece of info on the book

anyway murtagh has grown in strenght like eragon but has become more powerful
eragon had to lose to show he needed more training to destroy the empire

it dosent mater right now these are all theories and in the long run its all cp

But you must agree that making up these theories is part of the fun while we wait!

he is a god to us eager waiting listeners

I certainly admire him, but no, not a god to me.

ahhhhhhhhh the torment but yes the theories are part of the fun and then the bragging to our friend if we were right

I love making a theory and then thinking what would happen in the book series. It often how I get ideas for my books.

i get mine from other books wishful thinking and quotes

i wonder if cp gets ideas from this site

When I'm an author, I'd love to visit a forums about my books and see what they think I've planned for my series.

Hmm , well I think the most authors check out his fansites if he has some but then I think there's more chance that he got ideas that works on that fact not to follow your idea and suprice you . In this case and in the Alegaisia world he's the god :p

I think about the magic and i don't think it's a kind of a jewel or something about energy. As alot of another people in this topic have posted I think Galbatorix have found a way to manipulate the old lanquege and manipulate with the elements., no other explanation, because in the single kind of magic it's obvious that Murtagh isn't working with the same kind of it like Eragon.., Murtagh wasn't stronger that Eragon, it was Murtaghs studio of the new kind of magic which made him stronger. Oromis didn't wanted to say how Galbatorix power could grow and grow, maybe it's have something to do with Murtaghs and Galbatorixs magic .. Maybe haven't Oromis learned Eragon all about magic yet ..., Otherwise ofcourse Eragon will learn about that kind of magic in the next book ,

well.......thats quite an imagination. and because we are talking about fiction, it is all possible. good work for useing your head.

I think he has to enter their conciousness. And enemy magicians would stop him. But a good idea.

maybe CP is secretly one of us and we dont know it

now that would be interesting

this may sound old, but back to the topic anyway, i find myself agreeing with the trapped spirits, only with a little alteration. Spirits take over someones body as revenge for their imprisonment. i believe somewhere it was saying that these voices wanted to escape. this makes me think that mabey galby found a way to imprisone spirits inside a body against their will, allowing the host to use there power whenever he feels. this, however, would require an extreme level of power, which is why the elves are too scared to unviel this secret. this seems to fit with all the conditions of mutagh's imprisonment.

I think that galbatorix has some sort of method that allows him to figure out a persons "real" name and then he uses it to steal their spirit and uses its power. But who knows.

I think....maybe just maybe that galbatorix was giving murtagh energy.How else could he have launched eragon 20ft over the ground

i dont think that galby knows how to do that, like eragon does.

I think Murtagh and Galbatorix use energy from souls stored in the Vault of Souls. I think that Galbatorix found a way to trap the souls of the victims that the Ra'zac killed (and they killed many people) instead of wasting the energy from them. I think that explains how Galbatorix has been getting so strong over the years.

ya but if he did that, he would have the power of over thousands of people, and i dont think that he is that strong. also after people die, their souls are extinguished, like Glaedr said. I think they are usng people like katrina and stealing thier power. that is why i think katrina is't dead, other than the fact that it adds to the storyline.

That's true. Maybe they're getting power from all the slaves that bring the Sithir Oil every month.

bac 2 the topic. i think murtagh isn't a shade.

by they u mean galby n murtagh?