do you really think that CP made a mistake about HIS book???!!!

lol idk maybe saphire can ask him lol

The mistake being not killing Arya sooner.

if i could, i'd kill YOU sooner for saying that!!!

oh and Annie, he was saying that the mistake is saying that Solembum said basically that the Vault of Souls will give Eragon more power. HOW CAN HE GET THAT WRONG!!! it's a major plot point!!!

i agree with you on that one, i think the vault of souls will take up a lot of pages in book 3

... the topic isn't about the Vault Of Souls, it's about ayra dieing or not... she WILL die, Eragon and Saphira aren't suppose to fight him alone, Ayra will kill Murgtah, Galbatorix kiling Ayra, Eragon killing Galbatorix while he kills Ayra, who agrees on this?!?!?

*sigh* y won't u give up already? this is futile. there is need for no death, especially of her.

i will give up when i give up, she'll die, don't you get it yet!?!?!?

do u seriously thnk that the vault does nething when there are no souls?!!!?!!?(when they are dead...)

so ythe only way the vault would work ius if its the power from ppl alive,HOWEVER,that has a major drawback cuz it would kill every1 whos soul is in there...

FACE IT THERES NO WAY UNLESS CP MAKES IT SO SOULS ARENT SOULS!!!(shich he said was true....?????odd)

arya is not going to die, that would just be dumb, and would make loads of people mad.

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ok that waz totally random and blingyblob is a site u go 2 2 get cool icons and stuff - wow this is an awesome topic! finally something some 1 has never thought of! 2 bad i totally disagree with it

1. arya will most likely not die b/c if she dies and she is the new rider then greenie will most likely die as well since dragons usually die when their riders do ( vice versa) which would seal the fate of the entire dragon race and leave no hope 4 saphira 2 continue her kind ( unless u 4 some srange reason think she'll settle 4 those 2 losers thorn and shruikan)
2. as imnc mentioned, galby wants eragon 2 join him and by killing arya he would gain nothing from it, so most likely he'll pretend 2 kill her unless eragon joins him making 4 a good dramatic moment
3. eragon and arya as the riders will wrk as a team. even though it is eragons fite with galby he cant win it w/o her help- hes simply just not strong enough - when he fought the wizard guy at farthur dur ( sry 4 got what they're called lol) he had 2 have arya and saphira wrk a destraction b 4 he could kill him- n the end he will probably strike the final blow, but only w/ her help. afterall whats the point of a 3rd rider if they dnt have a big impact n the final fite!

just my thoughts and but im glad Lava-Galo, came up w/ this topic!

sry this is so long!

thedragonwing STOLE MY AVATAR!!!!! I'M GONNA KILL HIM!!!!! or come close.

I agree, but i still think that he will be pretty much alone in the final battle. but that's just me.

wow u ppl certainly think aryas the rider huh?

PLZ DO NOT SAY HE OR SHE OR HER OR HE WHEN REFFERING TO THE NEXT RIDER AS IT COULD BE SCORES OF PPL AND NOT ARYA...now as for the rest

my thoughts:1.WRONG

2.correct and good theory

3.maybe but dont say he cant win without HER help,as it is just as easily roran who is the next rider

grrrrr more roran the next rider theories lol ok thats ur opinion but i still believe arya is the next rider- why do u thing 1 is wrong? if arya is the next rider that is what will most likely happen- and 4 #3, unless finishes his training n the 3rd book he probably cant win it w/o her help (murtagh even beat him after he was transformed, and galby is 10x worse) unless of course he gets power from the vault of souls which is a whole other theory....

talk about the Vault Of Souls in the proper topic. this is not the place to talk about that sort of thing. what makes you think she'll live? it fits in! the man on the beach is Eragon, crying about Ayra's death, hte people boarding the boat are not Ayra and Eragon, but Ormais (however you spell it) and Ayra's mother

...BRILLIANT!

But I don't think that's at the end. I think he eventualy realizes he was stupid for loving her.

ok since ur so sure that shes gonna die and thats oromosis ( however u spell it) and aryas mother how do u explain the dragons overhead? its most likely saphira and greenie and dnt say its saphira and shruikn or thorn b/c if arya had died saphira would b on the ground crying w/ eragon b/c arya waz her friend 2- theres just 2 many things that dnt fit w/ her dying!

UNLESS...she was evil.

She didn't flinch at all when they found out Eragon was alive. And don't say it's because she felt "awkward" around him. She would at least have gotten up when they saw him. Nasuada got up and hugged him.

probably b/c she could still feel him w/ her mind and nuasuda cant-she did act worried about hin though

Oromis is going to DIE in the 3rd book. END OF STORY.

Arya IS NOT EVIL OR ELS SHE WOULD HAVE GIVEN THE LOCATION OF THE ELVES!!!!! she didn't flinch cuz she's an elf, and elves are skilled in hiding feelings. she did get up. she WAS up. she did not want to let any of her feeling out for fear of accidentally letting them all out. If you let a crack in a dam, then the water might break the dam and all of the water will come pouring out.

yes, Oramis will die, no, he won't die by Galbatoix, i think that Ayra will die becuase of simple facts, look at the way the books written, it looks like there will be revenge because Ayra's death

he doesn't need to have revenge. he's just is going to avenge.

sure... i really belive you... no one will die other then Oramis, WHO, will die from his lack of power... and Eragon will die because of the lack of Ayra

you have a messed up way of thinking. death is NOT needed. and who said someone else can't die?! there's Islanzadi and a bunch of other people who might die (not Arya).

i have a SMART way of thinking, most people i know may be baffled by my intelligence

man u r full of yourself. and it's not SMART if it's not logically AND factually based. all of mine r. Arya's death is NOT.

we were bickering there, weren't we? srry!

true its not NEEDED however i think it would make a better book if there was more...its not that i want arya to die...it would just make the plot MUCH more thrilling

liek think about it...when brom died,u were mad right?(i hope so),but i figured it ws necissary to give him more inscentive to oppose them...eragon will probobly end up like goin"crazy" at the end if arya dies(i dont mean crazy liek insane i mean like he'll slaughter EVERYBODY)which would make it seem pretty cool...and it would give hima solid chance of winning...however it would be anti-climactic if he just owned galby easily so he wont be THAT good but hell be way better than he would if arya was still alive

what do you mean by "both body and soul"??? i think i have an idea, but i want to hear you say it. lol.

anniebee took the words rite out of my mouth lol

how true..

Healing her body speaks for itself, by healing her soul, I mean giving her the reassurance that she has not failed in her endeavor. If you recall she mentioned to Eragon in Book I that she owed him a life debt which she had to pay.... Since she has such a high sense of honor, she will torture herself until the end of time.

i think she pays him when she breaks the star saphire, allowing him to kill Durza and making it so that he wouldn't be captured.

i thought you means something more interesting....

hatd be AWSOME if it happened again! The possibilities of what happens after are endless...

just think of what she would do then.... again, endless possibilities, most of which i like or love... more that i LOVE though.

no. i like talking about what i think'll happen. and this wayc, like id never think that she'd be rescued AGAIN, but it'd be AWSOME!

I totally agree with that but what if instead of loosing arya arya dies and roran is the next dragon rider

deep breaths..... WHy would she die? and Roran has no chance! AND he wouldn't want to be away from Katrina, would he?

LOL!!!! We cannot discard any speculation. Anything can stand until the next book. But I think the series will be somewhat disappointing if Ayra dies!!! :cry:

oh sorry about that AnnieBee, i just tend to get carried away on forums like this... anyway, back on topic, i wouldn't mind knowing who all agrees with me.. i really think this is a big possiblity...

I completley forgot I was debating in this forum too.



It said in the book, that Nasuada had Arya try to reach Eragon, but they couldn't reach him. Arya had NO WAY of knowing that Eragon was alive. And if she did, why didn't she tell Nasuada?

she will die, who all agrees with me on this??

Who, Arya? If it's Arya, YES!!!

that'sa #1, who's next of the seven who agree?

if that's what you think, that's fine, no problem, if Ayra dies tho...

i thought that you said that you don't want her do die!

after the 3rd book, I'll probably want to.

She cannot die; I do not think it will happen. Injured, hurt or something of the sort, maybe. But die, no, I think not!

i think that boats is when eragon will leave algiaesia

Umm... i have heard nothing bout a ship and a person crying on a beach, but wat if it roran that crying on the beach cause Katrenia died and now Eregon is leaving?

that's what i think. Katrina may die. i dunno. it could also be just becuase his last blood relative is gone forever. i dunno. either is possible.

Ayra will die, i hope this is the last time i say this, WHO ELSE SAID YES ABOUT AYRA DIEING OTHER THEN THOSE WHO HAVE SAID ALREADY? sorry if that offends you mods

NO YELLING!!! and you do want her to die, don't you?

not really, if she does, i'll kick the stinkin' book aside, but i had an idea, and i have a fair bit of proof, and others believe me

they just WANT her to die. that isn't really proof. it's a congecture based on a pattern. The pattern can be fufilled in other ways besides Arya dieing. Here's a list of alternative major secondary characters who can/will/may die:

Oromis
Glaedr
Islanzadi
Murtagh
Thorn
Angela (that would be SOOOO sad... )
Jormunder
lots of others.

i'm talking Ayra dieing by Galbatorix, not old age, that sorta thing

why would she? it seems so pointless. her death would be meaningless.

thats your thought on the matter, my thought is my thought, your thought is yours, and my thought is on Ayra dieing

yes. then argue your case.

ok, Ayra's death will lead to many things, #1, the Elvish Queen will die soon, leading to another royal family, #2 look at the way the books are written, #3 another reason to kill Gabatorix, and i'll edit this as i think up other reasons

1. She will probably die anyways. she doesn't have to die of strife.

2. how does that tie into what you are posing??? you don't follow through.

3. he already has plenty of reason to kill Galby. it's becuase of Galby that Garrow (his foster-father) died, Brom (his father) died, and maybe Selena (his mother) died. Wouldn't you want to kill someoen who is responsibe for the deaths of your foster-father, your father, and your mother???!!! YES!!! that is PLENTY OF REASON!!! You dont have to add his One True Love to the list. he already has three important people related to him dead because of Galby.

Morzan's his father, not Brom, what made you come up with THAT?

i have said this forever... here is my boatload of evidence:

Brom said, “She was full of dignity and pride, like Garrow. Ultimately it was her downfall, but it was one of her greatest gifts nevertheless. . . . She always helped the poor and the less fortunate, no matter what her situation.” He answered to Eragon’s question, “You knew her well?”, “Well enough to miss her when she was gone.” Also, Blagden said “Son and father alike, both as blind as bats” after being asked what his first prophesy ment. This denotes that Blagden had met Eragon's father. Morzan had never gone to Ellesmera, though Brom had. On pg. 435 of Eragon, Angela saya, "He (Brom) loved a woman, but it was his affection which was her undoing."

So what happened was she was carrying Brom's child and Morzan found out. She went to Carvahall and had Eragon. She then ran off, running from Morzan, was caught, and then killed. This enraged Brom and Brom went and killed Morzan. Later, he went to Carvahall to keep an eye on his son, Eragon.

THAT is what made me come up with it. HARD EVIDENCE backing up congectures and hypothesies with little strech in thinking. just a little.

but Murgtah said in the AL that he's Eragon's brother, who's father was Morzan

Kinda like the Arya really loving Eragon deep down thing, Murtagh could say that Morzan is Eragon's father because he believes it to be true.

it IS true! Morzan threw his sword at Murgtah when he was 5, and he saw Selena once before, and she said that Morzan was his father

She said nothing of the sort. She ran away when she became pregnant with Eragon, Brom's baby, cuz she knew that he would kill her AND her baby, when she had already gone through the pain of seeing Murtagh almost killed by Morzan.

hmm... that's hard... she ended up dieing anyway tho, and why didn't Brom tell him?

"Brom kept many secrets." - Saphira.

it was unnecisary and it would only bring Eragon more grief, and Eragon would start yelling at Brom on his death-bed. that would suck. lol.

ok, i see now... about the yelling at death bed thing, anyway back onto topic, did you change your thoughts on Ayra dieing?

i know it's double posting, and i woudn't mind if this was deleted afterwards, but i would like it if this topic continues usage thanks

Arya will die. Fact.

hmm... should i bring this into the "true facts" topic?

it's not a fact, and you aren't supposed to bump, which is EXACTLY what you did, until 24 hours after the last post. it doesn't have to have a post in the last 4 hours to be alive. you were overreacting. a bit there.

sorry about that IMNC... but still, what would it not do that would make the book better?

NO WAY!!! that would be a terrible ending!!! (this is of course all my oppinion)

Oh, NOW you realize it's just an opinion. I kept telling you we only had opinions for like, 2 days and you kept saying it was fact.

no. my opinion is that if it did happen (which i still maintain that it won't) that it would make a bad ending. i never said anything contrary.

You did in the Arya\Eragon debate.

yeah it is, and my opinion is Ayra will die, but that's my opinion

no i didn't! i never said "it would be a bad ending and that is a FACT". we are getting off topic.

Do you read everything or do you just read the basics? I was talking about the Arya\Eragon debate. You said FACT in that.

prove it. and don't post it here, cuz that would be totally off topic. and speaking of off topic, let's get back on.

yes let us, i think that she'll die, but i don't want it to happen

i think she'll die and i wantit to happen...iut would make a very somber ending....i dont like the whole happy ending theme...i dont like happy endings...theres too many of em!!!

there can be a middle-ish ending. Remember there is someone crying on the beach. A truly sad ending would be if Katrina dies, then at the end Roran is left with noone. But the happy part would be Arya and Eragon together. i dunno, but it seems pretty possible.

you forget that Eragon could be the one on the beach, crying over the lose of Ayra

and then who is getting on the ship? Eragon HAS to leave Alagaesia.

Hey guys how did u get those avatars, anyways if galbatorix were going to kill arya wouldnt eregon save her?

...okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.

Eragon would have to be able to defeat Galbatorix first. I can't help but laugh at what you just suggested.

y u laughing at what i said it was a good idea?

I'm not trying to be rude, but what do you think would happen?

Galbatorix attacks Arya, and Arya calls out for help. From his lair arises, ERAGON-MAN! Sworn to protects those of kind hearts, from those who wish us harm. With the help of his trusty companion, SAPHIRA-GAL, ERAGON-MAN defeats the evil Galbatorix. So once again, the day is saved, thanks too, ERAGON-MAN!

i thought you wanted Ayra to die too

that was sarcasm. but getting back on topic, Arya doesn't seem like the helpless type. quite the opposite.

after this post, I'm Sovereign!!!! YAAAAAAY!!!!