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 Murtagh:evil or good? 

will murtagh...
A go good again 61%  61%  [ 27 ]
B commit suicide 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
C still be evil at the end 5%  5%  [ 2 ]
D other 32%  32%  [ 14 ]
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Post Murtagh:evil or good?
well i think A(or hope so at least)

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October 17th, 2006, 7:57 pm Profile
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(i know this is a double post but it has to stand out for a reason)

and if u hit "other" plz say what it is and say why u think that

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Just saying you know it's a double post doesn't mean you can do it :wink:

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lol yeah just wanted it to stand out and BTW PLZ SAY WHAT U PICKED

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i thought he wound do suicide



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i think he'll go good again, he had to SWEAR in the ancient langage, or Galbatorix would have crushed Thorn and Murtagh, both are good, just forced into evil deeds

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I think Ayra will be the next rider. Read I'MNOTCRAZY's signature for more info. :wink: :lol:
Ayra may die when fighting Galbatorix! i have proof!
with the way CP put the book, i have a feeling that Eragon will lose some more loved ones/good friends, Garrow and Brom died in Eragon, Ajihad died in Eldest, they were all loved ones/good friends. Ayra prolly WILL die!
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I went on to the other side. I think and hope he dies. BUT, before dying he redeems himself. There are too many wrongs in his life to ammend them ( and only one book left) and be accepted and trusted by the people of Alagaesia.

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maybe... we'll just have to see... :wink:

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I think Ayra will be the next rider. Read I'MNOTCRAZY's signature for more info. :wink: :lol:
Ayra may die when fighting Galbatorix! i have proof!
with the way CP put the book, i have a feeling that Eragon will lose some more loved ones/good friends, Garrow and Brom died in Eragon, Ajihad died in Eldest, they were all loved ones/good friends. Ayra prolly WILL die!
for those who don't understand my sig, for about 200 pages Ayra will be a rider, then she'll die.


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maybe he can go all samurai and commit suicide :) lol but i dont want him to die...i want him to "help" galbotorix EXCEPT instead of hurting eragon,he screws up and accidently gets killed or makes galbotorix die

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i think that he'll survive, and help kill Galbatorix, i mean, he never turned evil

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Ayra may die when fighting Galbatorix! i have proof!
with the way CP put the book, i have a feeling that Eragon will lose some more loved ones/good friends, Garrow and Brom died in Eragon, Ajihad died in Eldest, they were all loved ones/good friends. Ayra prolly WILL die!
for those who don't understand my sig, for about 200 pages Ayra will be a rider, then she'll die.


October 25th, 2006, 2:20 am Profile
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of course he didnt TURN evil lol he was FORCED and then it grew on him...seeing as how he had all the power with being sided with galby

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if that were true, he would have killed Eragon when he had the chance, he would [i]WANT[/i] to look good for Galbatorix

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with the way CP put the book, i have a feeling that Eragon will lose some more loved ones/good friends, Garrow and Brom died in Eragon, Ajihad died in Eldest, they were all loved ones/good friends. Ayra prolly WILL die!
for those who don't understand my sig, for about 200 pages Ayra will be a rider, then she'll die.


October 25th, 2006, 2:24 am Profile
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meh thats ture BUT i mean murtagh cant be THAT corrupt...to take an evil guys option over one of your BROTHER/FRIENDS?! i dont think he would have killed him after eragon convinced him not to

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he doesn't count as one of my loved ones/good friends anymore, since i read Eldest, but Murgtah isn't that kinda guy, to go evil, and stay

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with the way CP put the book, i have a feeling that Eragon will lose some more loved ones/good friends, Garrow and Brom died in Eragon, Ajihad died in Eldest, they were all loved ones/good friends. Ayra prolly WILL die!
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spikesniper wrote:
maybe he can go all samurai and commit suicide :) lol but i dont want him to die...i want him to "help" galbotorix EXCEPT instead of hurting eragon,he screws up and accidently gets killed or makes galbotorix die




I think Murtagh is too set on live to do a suicide thing!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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i don't think he'd do suicide either, he's not that kinda guy, why would he commit suicide anyway?

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with the way CP put the book, i have a feeling that Eragon will lose some more loved ones/good friends, Garrow and Brom died in Eragon, Ajihad died in Eldest, they were all loved ones/good friends. Ayra prolly WILL die!
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What we have heard on the topic is always refering to those who killed themselves because of misuse of magic?????

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:lol: i've heard of misuse of magic, and i think that such a sucide may be possible...

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with the way CP put the book, i have a feeling that Eragon will lose some more loved ones/good friends, Garrow and Brom died in Eragon, Ajihad died in Eldest, they were all loved ones/good friends. Ayra prolly WILL die!
for those who don't understand my sig, for about 200 pages Ayra will be a rider, then she'll die.


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rpm12345 wrote:
i thought he wound do suicide



jk go good again

he won't commit suicide galby's probably got him to swear an oah in al
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maybe in the ancient language, murtagh will swear to himself to disobey galby next tame he aske something of him, and when that time comes, a huge magic overload aannnddd murtagh is dead! YAY!!!

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if murtagh goes good y do u want him dead 0_o?!!?!!

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that seems warped. your on Galbatorix's side!!! kill him/her!! :lol: :lol: not really, but that seems warped

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Ayra may die when fighting Galbatorix! i have proof!
with the way CP put the book, i have a feeling that Eragon will lose some more loved ones/good friends, Garrow and Brom died in Eragon, Ajihad died in Eldest, they were all loved ones/good friends. Ayra prolly WILL die!
for those who don't understand my sig, for about 200 pages Ayra will be a rider, then she'll die.


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Keep in mind that one of the underlying themes CP has included is ther matter of making choices. This has been a huge debate. I see it as Murtagh at first not being evil; and he certainly did have a choice. Not a very enticing one, but a choice nevertheless. After all, he was running away from Galbatorix; why, because he had finally realized the cruel, mindless leader he was. He saw Galby in his madness and he chose to run away from him rather than slaughter innocent people. So when captured by the Twins and taken before Galbatorix, he had the choice to either submitt or die. He chose to submit.

According to the book, this is what it is all about and we are told so through Brom's character.

"And how will I be able to deny the king's wishes when he is threatening me with death" asked Eragon sharply.
Brom sighed. He went to his nightstand and dipped his fingers in a basin of rose water. "Galbatorix wants your willing cooperation. Without that. you're worse than useless to him. So the question becomes, If you are ever faced with this choice, are you willing to die for what you believe in? For that is the only way you will deny him."
The question hung in the air.
Brom finally said, "It's a difficult question and not one you can answer until you're faced with it. Keep in mind that many people have died for their beliefs; it's actually quite common. The real courage is in living and suffering for what you believe." Eragon, 197

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murtagh is, and always was good!!!!!!!!!

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yeah the excalm points were alittle unnessesry but i think he is good to. when galby dies he will go good again.

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he will always count himself as an outcast

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dont you think him helping to defeat galby(i dont no how he would though) would redime heself for being morzan son and foe killing the dwarf king

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not to the dwarves. and he would think himeslf to be an outcast anyways.

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As far as the storyline goes, Murtagh is aware of the stigma of being Morzan's son.
He made a choice; live with power and serve me (Galbatorix) OR
Be remembered with Honor and respected and die!!! (The good of the many)


He chose to live serving evil, so if his skin is more important than tons and tons those not only of the Varden, but in all Alagaesia, then I don't think he's that good.

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i agree with AnnieBee here... that seems more likely to happen

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I agree in most with AnnieBee. He had a choice and he chose to be with Galbatorix. I can't bring myself to say that defying Galbatorix is the good of the many though. You have to remember what Orromis said while training Eragon. It's for the good of the deserving, but I wont agree to many.

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well maybe(i know this post is from LONG ago)he was lying to eragon about siding with galbie and only killed hrothgar beacause he locked him up(lol idk)

im really just trying to bring this post back cuz it never got that far in disscussing

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I thought that Ajihad was the one that had him locked up?

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ya ajihad did. and i chose A. i want murtagh 2 live b/c he is my fav character

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Murtagh is evil. He knows what serving Galby as a Dragonrider means to the Varden. Eragon told him he would kill Murtagh to release him from the spell. Murtagh laughed and said that life was too sweet to let go. He refused to sacrfice himself for greater good.

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I picked A. I think it's sort of that "Grinch who stole Christmas" thing; that way deep down he still does have some good left in him. True, the best decision, for the good of many, would have been to die but I doubt many of us in a choice between an evil life or an honorable death would have picked death. It was probably an impulsive decision in which he never weighed the consequences. He is probably, deep down, hoping for a way to break the oath.

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yes, i agree with the above post. anyway, if you were faced with the same situation murtagh was in, would you pick death or serve evil?

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I think I would serve evil, that sounds like fun anyway. And I agree but the Grinch Stole Christmas thing is sorta lame in my opionion, but I see where you're coming from. Murtagh I think chose evil because he was afraid of dieing, he wanted to live and so the only thing he could do was pick joining Galbatorix. I still like Murtagh in my opinion and hope that he returns to the side of good.

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Yeah, I know it was lame but I couldn't tink of anything else :) .

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Murtagh isn't really evil, he just serves his own good. He is, obviously, afraid of death, and afraid of Gally. Because of tihs, he effectively left himself open - even without gally knowing his true name - for control. I think that he will come back at the end. I think it'll either be that Murtagh gives up something crucial, maybe even himself, for Eragon, or Eragon will learn sometihng, from the vault of sould, or from the elves, that will be able to free murtagh, and given the chance, I think murtagh would come back only if it appeared that Gally will lose. But as we've seen, Murtagh is unpredictable..

This is really stupid, but what if whatever is under the Menoa tree is something that will release Murtagh, who could, as a rider, be considered a weapon?

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I guess Murtagh could be considered a weapon but not Eragon's weapon, he would be, you could say, the Varden's weapon.

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The prophecy just said when Eragon needed a weapon.

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lol thanks. I confuse myself with my theories sometimes, lol.

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hmmm....yeah that makes sense to me....lets just hope eragon or sum1 vcan find a way to free murtagh from EVIL!!! lol

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hey, a weird theory just occurred 2 me. do u think murtagh likes evil? b/c if he does, then maybe he wout choose 2 come back.

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Maybe he does now that he's had a taste of power.

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yeah,that could happen....but still....murtagh must want to....cleanse his family name.....right?

so hopefully,he'll go back to the hero side

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Murtagh doesn't care about his family name. He has stated that people will never trust him because of his father's deeds. Murtagh only cares about his own skin, right now he thinks Galby has a better chance of winning the war.

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yeah,that is true....but still dont u think that murtagh wants to go good again....i mean he hates galby and always has....he USED to like eragon alot so....maybe he will change his mind and say"screw u galby"! :D

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Only when he's losing. Murtagh is a jump on the bangwagon type of person.

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yeah....i get that from his character too...but in the middle of the fight????that doesnt really add up.....
so after hes done the damage to eragon and the new rider,he goes and kills galby?

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well that could be possibe, but i just changed my own thoughts.

remember eragon on the burning plains said something like:come back to the varden murtagh
and then murtagh said:no eragon, you cannot help me know, no one can, except 4 galby........
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yeah i remember sumthing like that too,so maybe they will figure out a way to help him and he can go good again

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i think eragon will have to fight murtag because murtag made a promise to be loyal to galbatorix (and he said he can not break it) so maby he will kill murtag or he will kill galbatorix first so murtag will be free of his promise.... :?: :D

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true,but maybe murtaghs just not trying to break it hard enough...their has to be a way to bypass it...

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I am of the belief that Murtagh is evil, and Princess Elayna and I had quite an "interesting"
exchange of thoughts, however, I recently went crazy and purchased the DVD's of all the 7 seasons of the "Charmed" series and have come to understand what Princess Elayna had been trying to make me see.

The point is that Cole, who is half human, half demon, falls deeply in love with one of the Charmed ones and it's only at the end where his evil or half demon part takes completely over his human side and became full evil. What came to mind was the "exchange" I had with Princess Elayna and it finally clicked what she had tried to place forth.

So, I can see Murtagh, being half-evil too, as he found a loophole in Galbatorix's command. To TRY to capture Eragon and Saphira alive. He did "try" and in the end his, not totally evil side had mercy, and allow Eragon to go unscathed.

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i think murthagh is good but is blinded by the power...and he can not be free of galbatorix until he or galbatorix dies cause he(galbatorix) nows his real name so he is *BIP*....
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Oh I know he's power hungry. There a some excerpts in Eragon that leads me to believe it. At the end of Eragon I was so happy that he had fought, and fought well for the Varden. Then when in Eldest he was "taken" I was devastated. But when I got to the Battle of the Burning Plains and the red dragon rose, I had a very, very bad feeling. Needless to say that my sympathy for him died at the moment I learned he was on Galbatorix's side. Image

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yeah hes evil now for sure lol...but i think he wants to be good...i remember him saying sumthing like u think i wanted this!? or sumthing like that and then eragons like,but u had a choice and hes like a choice? what choice did i have when hes threatening me with death?

thats not a direct quote...idek if im just imagining that lol,but i remember it sumwhere...so he said he didn't WANT to be evil...he just got practically forced...i don't think he'll hurt eragon just to hurt him..galby has to be controlling him....hey,i just had an odd thought....if sum1 makes u swear in the AL its like magic right? well then wouldnt it weaken with distance? if it did..eagon and murtagh could like go really far away and break the oath lol,just a thought :)

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i dont think distance would help. like eragon cast the curse on elva, and he was miles away and she was still fully under it!

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oh yeah,thats right....lol i forgot...still be kinda cool if that happened :)

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he is good he was just forced to do evil by galbitorix baldd guy hheheh
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no considering im a guy :)

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murtag is so hot and i don't care if you disagree!!

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^ hahah! another murtagh fan!

yeah i love murtagh too. im so in love with him. he's one of the best fictional characters ever.

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Murtagh is not evil! He was captured put under spells, and who he is is known for crying out loud! He is helpless. He doesnt like Galbtorix just the empire system. He was never evil in the first place. He refused to kill Eragon after all. And you may point out that he didnt commit suicide, but would Eragon if he were in Murtaghs position? Sacrifice Saphira? Would You? I wouldnt.


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i wouldnt.

yeah i hope nobody thinks of murtagh as evil and a coward, because he is kind, and very brave. people tend to overlook the fact that he took care of eragon and saw to it that he reached the varden well. he even fought for the varden, and wanted to avenge ajihad. that was the reason why he was captured in the first place. if he didnt try to avenge ajihad, he wouldnt have been captured.

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I still think Eragon could have taken him if he wasnt tired. But hey who cares. I dont see how anyone could think Murtagh evil. Its ... Its ... its inconceivable.


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