hey, what if eragon finds the grey folk somehow and they help break the vow that murtagh swore. so then murtagh could teach eragon and arya all galby's powers and then eragon can defeat galby.

Just a thought.

Yea that wood b gud but i dont' really know how murtagh feels i mean he hates galby but he seemed to kinda agree with galby's general theory.
its' a difficult thing to guess

will just have to wait for BOOK 3

Oi... I'm nearly convinced that he's a good guy, but there's really no way to know for sure..

he will eventually, when eragon kills galby.

I imagine he will get released from his oath to galby one way or another. Or he could die, I just can't imagine that happening though...

I don't really know if he'll join with eragon and the varden... He may just fly off with Thorn

ya i dont think he will be accepted by the varden after all the things he's done. But maybe he saves eragon's life and he fights with the varden.

That's totally what I'm hoping for... but that means that Galby has to die before the actual 'war' starts OR they need to find some way to undo what Murtagh did in the AL.

Heh... or Murtagh could save Eragon's life while under oath and then die x.x But that means he won't be able to fight in the war.

hmm. i never thought of that!

Eragon could save him x3 Neutralize the vow anyway without Murtagh's cooperation.

thats smart.!! i hope one of them happens.

he is still good

still good? he killed hrothgar(sp?) but i suppose he has some good in him.

Ya, I don't think Murtagh is that good. Maybe, but I'm not counting on it.

Glaby knows Murtaghs true name, Therefore Galby can control Murtaugh. yes,he killed Hrothgar. Because Galby MADE him. Murtagh found a loophole in the orders to try and capture Eragon. He tried so he did technicly follow orders.

yay! go murtagh. now i dunno which side 2 pick.lol

Murtty has to turn to the good side, he is so evil with Galby

whats with Murty?

Nickname for murtagh for people like me who are too lazy to always write "Murtagh".

Murty has to turn good again or the story will feel incomplete.

hope he turns good... sort of hard to though, maybe he WILL kill himself rather than kill or betray his own brother. that would be a nice change from his usual selfishness... or as i think sombody else said, maybe he'll kill galbatorix.
he bugs me sometimes, he's so selfish. guess its not really his fault though. hopefully he'll change.

Murty would turn good if he committed suicide!

yeah, he'd have to. or maybe not. i dunno... i'm confused today.

he wouldnt have 2. i rekon cp will pull off another great thing we never thought of. and then we'll go ohhh why didnt i think of that?

murtagh will b come back 2 the light. i agree that either him or eragon will find a loophole and come back to fight with eragon and kill galby.

I'm confident that murty will die at the end of Book 3. I am also confident that galby will not die after eragon has defeated him. But murty will die a good guy again.

i think he is a good guy all along, just got captured by a bad guy.

I think its likely that Murtagh will fight in the 'last battle' but Eragon will kill Ol' Galby and allow Murtagh to be free . I'm sure Murtagh could just twiddle his thumbs while that happens...

i think murty will turn but in doing so he'll end up die and kills galby while eragon jst watches them fight. now theres an idea

wont that make eragon turn evil watching his bro die? lol, but it is a idea.

yea but then CP should give murty a bit more action cos i mean eragon had a book about him, i think they should learn to share because sharing is caring

i really dont think galby and murtagh think that(maybe murtagh but not galby)

i'll be honest I WANT MURTAGH TO TURN GOOD BECAUSE I LOVE HIS CHARACTER's PERSONALITY and the GUY WHO ACTS AS MURTAGH IS C-U-T-E LOL

I'm guessing your a girly girl. Anyway, I like him to be good so he and Eragon can kick Galby's butt.

im quite sure that if galby IS killed, murtagh and thorn WILL be free.

does that mean he turns into a cow? lol

dude that would be so cool!!!!!

so cool? i rekon he is still good, just manipulated by some1 bad.

I think that murtage will eventualy turn good again but that thing about the grey folk coming and helping eargon take a spell of of murtag is just dumb. I mean wouldent you just use the grey folk to kill of galbotorix its a two for one kill. get rid of galby and get murtag but wont learn galbys powers. But why would eargon want to.

There is a chace that Murtagh mite beable to join the Varden if he some how got free of Galby. He and Nausada liked each other alot (n not in jus the friendly way (it hints))

Yeah there could be somethin between dem. I think that if Galbatorix is killed, then Murtagh and Thorn will be free

Astra esterni onothelduin,
Mor'rnar unin hjarta onr,
Un du evarinya ono varda.

May good fortune rule over you,
Peace live in your heart,
And the stars watch over you.

ur right he already found one loophole or eragon would already be dead.. i dont think he'll fight with the varden. they dont like him 'cause he's morzan's son... wat would they think if they knew he was eragon's brother.. i can't wait for the third book. murtagh(did i spell that right) is definately good. he helped eragon too much not to be.

well now that i think of it and i said a little on it before too is i think elva will have something to do with murtagh turning good....

How? I don't see that.

well im no expert but if elva can sheild ppl from harm, and Galby is kinda harming Murtagh, she might be able to some how take Murtagh's place in the spell, thus releasing him from it...

But how would they meet and I don't think Galby is hurting him.

thats kinda why i said im no expert lol i don't know ever detail, it was just a thought that came in my head and i thought it was pretty good

yea, the thought is great! Maybe galby is hurting Murtagh but then didnt eragon say 2 elva that he would release the spell from her?

When he saw her again I think.

yea, so that means that elva cant have anything to do with this unless eragon stuffes the spell up or somehow cant do it.

True. But the simplest solution would be for Murtagh to tell Eragon his true name (it wont happen). Then Eragon and the elves can get into a direct power struggle over Murtagh (I think the elves and eragon are more then a match by them selves against Galb) or it will kill Murtagh, ether way I think it will work but its up to cp not me. Murtagh wouldent do that anyway, I think.

yea, i rekon it wont happen. Murtagh cant tell eragon b/c i dont think he know himself and Galby mustve told him not 2.

This is why is not knowing all of the facts ain't cool. But I am hopful fur Murtagh to turn good again, but he is more of in an internal strugle with himself and Galb. But you never Know.

its the unwritten pages that say the most...

You speak the truth but you just cant help but wonder.

i guess i must forget or something.... but what is tthe deal with murtaghs real name thing?

Since Galby knows his true name he has control over him to an certain extent (I think) just like Eragon can control Fire because he knows the word for Fire.

oh ok... but idon't remember the book ever saying his real name... i dont think it said it all all right... I know that eragon has to speak his true name to open the vault of souls

elve king here is where Murtagh reveals that Galby knows his true name. Page 650 of Eldist, "You cannot hlp me, Eragon. No one but Galbatorix can release us from our oaths, and he will never do that . . . . He knows our true names, Eragon. . . . We are his slaves forever." It dosn't say his real name this is the extent of us finding out about Galby knowing Murtagh's real name.

Not just Murtagh but Eragon's as well.

No I think Murtagh was talking himself and his dragon. Not Eragon

Hmmmmm... Your probbaly right.

Yeah, he was talking about himself and thorn. If Galbortorix knew Eragon's real name do you think that he'd still be playing cat and mouse with Eragon? Of course not.
On the Matter of Murtagh. I do believe that there will be a way for him to turn good, tho I don't think it will be in the beginning. I think it will be towards the end of the book. But He has to go back good because it's not like he's being evil by choice. That's another part of the conflict for the 3rd book. Not only is Eragon and Roran going to avenge their father/uncle, defeat Galbortorix, they also have to find a way to save Murtagh.

that is an excelent point but I don't think there is much Roran can do to help Murtagh turn good again.

But he will be helping in fighting back, I think there will be a suprise with Roran in the 3rd book.

I know he will help fight but he knows nothing of Murtagh so how could he help turn him good unless he is holding a group of solders at bay.

I'm not saying he'll be able to help Murtagh fully but maybe in weakening him by Eragon and him fighting Murtagh.

I'm sorry but Roran would get killed easly by Murtagh. There is no way they fight unless by some rare happening Roran is the next rider who i think has to be a Woman peferably Arya.

Why does it have to be a woman? And I"m sure Eragon would train Roran through the way they get to where they need to be going. He's got some skill but not alot.

I know but I think there should be at least one woman rider but Roran would be it I just think Arya or some other Elf is more likly but I could be wrong.

I think of other reasons like, Roran, Murtagh, and Eragon would be all related.

Very true but Eragon and Murtagh both had a father who was a Rider.

Yeah, but what about the mother? Selena?

True but Roran mother wasent Selena and haveing a father as a rider incresses your chances of having a dragon most likly.

But we don't know Roran's mother's name and we don't know what she looked like? So....................

Marian is Roran mother look at page 19 of Eragon.

Hmmmmmm, but we aren't told if Garrow had Roran through marian or Selena for sure so. Plus the mother could give power to dragonriders too? Arya's mom isn't a dragonrider, and we don't know about the dad and I doubt he is one.

Garrow is selena's brother that would be wierd if that were true and through the book Roran is called Eragon cousin not Brother until the end of Eldist when he relizes that they are close enough to be brothers. But Arya is a young elf and Elfs where told to be more likly to get a dragon to hatch than a human.

well, it depends if the dragon thinks the elves will save their race(saphira said so somewhere).

Very true but Galby could save thier race it is just they would serve him, so I think there is more to it then that.

well, Galby destroyed the dragons in the first place so they pro wont be eager to serve him.

I didn't necessarily mean he was going to help turn Murtagh good. I just Meant Roran will be helping Eragon along the way. It will have to be up to Eragon to help Murtagh because of how close they were and now they know they are brothers. It's a personal thing. I have no idea how he's going to do it tho. I read somewhere on here that someone suggested that he could give his real name to Eragon so he could control him. Well, we all know that is out of the question. 1. Galbortorix wouldn't allow that. 2. Murtagh is too prideful. 3. If that did happen, it'd prolly just kill him.
On the subject of Roran....I also believe he's going to have a huge part in the 3rd book. Especially after his big part in the second book. He will surprise us and will help a lot, but I don't believe he's the 3rd rider as some believe. It's too predictable.

True but how will they know that who they are hatching to is not to be foeced into serving him, It happend to Thorn and Murtagh it could but is unlikly happen again.

That's only because Galbortorix knew their names. What's the chance that he'll know the knew dragon and riders names? He still doesn't know eragon's so it's unlikely he'll have the new ones. Plus, it wouldn't go with the plot. If the new rider is on galbortorix's side, Eragon will have no chance of defeating Galbortorix or helping Murtagh.

Not entirly true. Galby also forced Murtagh to pledge him self in the ancient language so he could not go against him. And We can't say that Eragon wont have a chance ether because he is not at the hight of his power in the books yet so he could have a chance to own all three of them if the new rider were on Galby's side but that is not going to happen.

this is to dragon fan: the grey folk are dead!

Whats that got to do with the topic? It didnt say they were dead. It just said they melted into the shadows. Maybe when Eragon goes to the VOS he will get the grey folk's powers or something.

Back to the topic. Murtagh probably will turn good again or die in the process. He prolly will b/c he sorta had no choice when galby was asking him.

i think that murtagh will stay evil and that Nasuada will join him. because i heard cp said on wikipedia that the council of elders becomes unhappy with her and stop supporting her or something like that. but i may be wrong..... because i am new here....... so don't take my word about wikipedia and look it up your self.

wikipedia is not always wrong.

Yeah, not too reliable, but I dont think unmental (sp?) people will bother to edit it.

Back on the topic, Murtagh, I think, will turn good, get killed by Eragon, or suicide. I mean, thats basically all the posibilities, apart from getting killed by Galby. But Galby needs him, so yeah.

I think that murtagh will elope Nasuada.

Uh.... elope meaning what? (sry I'm bad at remembering meanings)

it means run away with i think.

Close, aurora jean. I believe it means run away to get married.

You really are a wise dragonrider, Saphirarox.

So aurora jean's saying that Murtagh will run away from galby to marry nasuada? Quite likely, actually.

Thanks, dragon fan!

It is. For all we could know, she's his true love. When he sees her get hurt during the final battle, he's going to go nuts and try to save her. Then that's gonna break the oaths that Galby bound him to. WOOTS!!
(Sorry if I sound hyper, just ate a bowl of Coco Puffs, WOOTS COCO PUFFS!!!)

And then Galby finds out what happening. He would put his pointy hat on, say few magical words and blow Murtagh to pieces together with his beloved Nasuada.

Are you guys sure that Murtagh is in love with Nasuada?

Nope you got it wrong. He puts on his horns and picks up his trident.

Yeah, reread that part in Eragon where he goes to visit Murtagh in his cell. Then you'll know what we're talking about. (I'd look it up, but I have thirty minutes to check at least 40 emails. )