You can't lie on purpose but, you can tell half truths, but in Eragon's case when he read his poem for the bloodoath celebration it wasn't true but, he belived it was so he was able to say it.
And that's saying if you truly believe it's true you can lie but, it's still not on purpose becuse you actually think it's true.
Murtagh didn't actually know for a fact that his brother was Eragon, he got the information from the twins who discoverd it when they checked both their minds and they discoverd that they had the same mother, but they could actually have diffrent father's.
The reason Murtagh belived this is becuse Galabatorix told him, so he thought he had to believe it. So that rasies the question is Morzan Eragon's real father? I think Brom is actualy his father. Because before he died he told Saphira somethings that he didn't tell Eragon, so Saphira might know that he was his father, the reason she didn't tell him is becuse he would have been so distraught to find out that his father just died, and that he actually knew him all along, plus he just wasn't mature enough to hold that information. And when Brom moved to the Carvahall the same year Eragon was born it wasen't to watch over his enemies child but to watch over his son. I'll give you some more text evidence on this later. But back to the topic of being able to lie in the AL, this also means that you can break an oath in the AL, becuse if you don't belive in the oath then it doesn't control you. Just like how Murtagh didn't kill Eragon because he didn't beileve in his oath, because if he did than Eragon would have already been dead!

I don't know how many times I've posted the proof for Brom being Eragon's father but here it all is: Brom said, “She was full of dignity and pride, like Garrow. Ultimately it was her downfall, but it was one of her greatest gifts nevertheless. . . . She always helped the poor and the less fortunate, no matter what her situation.” He answered to Eragon’s question, “You knew her well?”, “Well enough to miss her when she was gone.” Also, Blagden said “Son and father alike, both as blind as bats” after being asked what his first prophesy ment. This denotes that Blagden had met Eragon's father. Morzan had never gone to Ellesmera, though Brom had. On pg. 435 of Eragon, Angela saya, "He (Brom) loved a woman, but it was his affection which was her undoing." So what happened was she was carrying Brom's child and Morzan found out. She went to Carvahall and had Eragon. She then ran off, running from Morzan, was caught, and then killed. This enraged Brom and Brom went and killed Morzan. Later, he went to Carvahall to keep an eye on his son, Eragon.

So, you agree with me? Brom also said " Ah, I see you didn't know of your name sake." How would he know that Eragon's mother got his name from the first dragonrider? Unless he was infact he was his father.

i agree that brom is his dad.. brom is my fav char and he would be my fav char ever more if he was eragons daddy

Yeah that would be so cool if he was his dad!

I must say that I am extremelly stuck between whether Brom or Morzan is Eragon's father. I think now, given the evidence that I have seen thus far, I am more inclined to go towards Brom, but that's not to say that Morzan isn't Eragon's father, because he still very well could be. For now though I will stay in the middle...too much evidence but, I don't know...just not proof yet and I don't expect there to be exactly...not until book 3. Very nice theory/idea, and good evidence too.

Umm...sorry to ask but aren't there other topics about this?...I don't know I mean I could be wrong but, just asking really.

well this topic is about can you lie in the AL.. not if brom is eragons dad ( which he is) were just descusing if murtagh lied in the AL cuz he believed it

Well I think, only for Murtagh though and not Arya since she knew what she was talking about, I think that Murtagh could have lied somehow in the AL. He based everything off of belief which doesn't really help so reluctantly I'll say he could have lied.

what do you guys think about being able to break on oath in tha AL?

An oath is different and when you swear something or take an oath you really have to mean it and I mean be incredibly sincrer and know what you are doing and getting yourself into. I think an oath is more serious than just speaking and lying in the AL. I don't think that you could break and oath in the AL. It's one thing if you lie or something, even in the AL which of course you can't really lie in, but it's another if you take or swear something and then you break it. Nope, to me not possible...oaths are much stronger and deeper than just regularly speaking in the AL...you swear by something in the AL then you sure better mean it.

But what if you were forced into it like Murtagh was?

That's a different matter. Really he only did it for survival and he didn't know any better. Plus at the time he was basing everything off of belief as well...totally different even if he was forced.

He can't break his oath, just like Rhunon-Elda can't break her's.

That theory has been posted many time already. We pretty much know for a fact brom was Eragons father.

It isn't lying, it's saying something that isn't true, though the person saying it thinks it's true.

Ok, i'll edit this topic tittle.

Your welcome!

Thta and this topic now being about Brom being Eragon's father will probably get blocked because there are 1000000 topics on this!

But, they actually go together becuse it says that you can lie in the AL, and Brom being his father is a product of being able ot lie. I think that Murtagh will break his oathin the AL, but that's just me what do you guys think?

It isn't lieing if you think it's true!

well, then what would you have me call it?

thinking something is true but its not, lieing is when you say something not true but you think it is

no. Lieing is when you sasy something not true, but you KNOW that it isn't true.

So, what do you guys want me to call it then if your going to get all worked up about it.

murtagh also cud have sed somin like "i know who ur father is , Morzan" which doesn't actually say ,morzan is his father so yeah brom cud b his father

"If I have become my father I will have my father's blade. Thorn is my dragon, and a thorn he shall be to all out enemies. It is only right, then, that I should weild the sword Misery. Misery and Thorn, a fit match. Besides, Zar'roc should have gone to his eldest son, not his youngest. It is mine by birth right." Here's what Murtagh said in the AL, it's more like a half truth than a lie, but it's still a lie in my book.

Yeah, that is a half truth because they are Half-brothers!!! lol!!

since when are they half brothers both thewy mothers were selena and both they fathers were morzan

No, Eragon's father was Brom.

i don't think so

Do I have to put all of the evidence up again??? Here it goes: Brom said, “She was full of dignity and pride, like Garrow. Ultimately it was her downfall, but it was one of her greatest gifts nevertheless. . . . She always helped the poor and the less fortunate, no matter what her situation.” He answered to Eragon’s question, “You knew her well?”, “Well enough to miss her when she was gone.” Also, Blagden said “Son and father alike, both as blind as bats” after being asked what his first prophesy ment. This denotes that Blagden had met Eragon's father. Morzan had never gone to Ellesmera, though Brom had. On pg. 435 of Eragon, Angela saya, "He (Brom) loved a woman, but it was his affection which was her undoing." So what happened was she was carrying Brom's child and Morzan found out. She went to Carvahall and had Eragon. She then ran off, running from Morzan, was caught, and then killed. This enraged Brom and Brom went and killed Morzan. Later, he went to Carvahall to keep an eye on his son, Eragon.

ive heard all the evidence i still don't beleive it though

There was bound to be a plot twist, just like the rider being Murtagh. Then what's the plot twist???

maybe that Elva is Eragons Sister

DA DA DAAAAA

..now that's crazy!!! There's nothing that could make you think that!

well u said there has to be a plot twist

Yeah, but CP gave subtle clues to all of the plot twists. The twins were in the battle and the Rider was using a hand and a half sword. Brom being Eragon's father goes back a bit deeper, but it's the same sort of thing.

What if Brom was Murtagh's father also. Maybe thats why Morzan threw the sword in a drunkin rage. Also maybe their mother saw what happened with Murtagh and didn't want the same for Eragon so she ran to Garrow. Then they could still be brothers, just have different dad's then they though. Also maybe when this truth comes to light Murtagh decides to change sides and helps to steal the green egg as a jesture of good faith to the Varden.

1. It's definately apparent that Murtagh is Morzan's son. 2. He can't steal the egg for the Varden because of his vows in the Ancient Language.

yay! and we dont know if Brom is eragons father, CP could just be trying to thorugh us off

I don't know, what you guys think but for me I seriously belive brom is Eragon't father, it might as well just be set in stone, or at least the third book.

it's set in paper.

first i thought brom was not eragon'r father. but I'MNOTCRAZY convinced me.
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yea, i agree with I'MNOTCRAZY

i coninced myself brom is not eragons father. because not father more likely great great great grand fathers grand father

correction to myself: convinced

I'm awsome at convincing people......

noone is arguing anymore..... this is kinda boring....

There is no categorical evidence of Brom being Eragon's father in the book. However, there are many clues, or red herrings as called in literature, that there is a huge possibility of him being the father. All of us are basing our theories on these red herrings, and I for one, as soon as I finished Eldest could not swallow it. But hey, I love picking and prodding stories, so I head the list on Brom being Eragon's father!!!!

i found a lot of Great Red Herrings. lol. bird joke.

fine then. such as all of that stuff i found pertaining to Brom and Eragon being father and son. happy now?

i dunno y, but I'm in a pissy mood today. i really don't want to get in trouble...

LOL!!!! It is confusing to determine ages in regards to the Riders, but I really, really, really hope, (for my sanity's sake) Brom is Eragon's father. When I can make the time I will give you the "red herrings" quoted with pages and all!!!!

Brom is slightly younger than Morzan, so it would be appropriate to say that Eragon is Brom's son, not further generations down.

annie, you keep on referring to that quote, but did you read the double post afterwards? "correction to myself: convinced"

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Scott, I have honestly lost track of everything here. I'm sorry I really don't have a clue as to what you're talking about!! Point me or give me directions so I can answer you. Geeze I have a headache!!!

that. it is right after the post to whuch you are referring.

Uh.... If Brom IS Eragon's father, then Eragon would be way older than he is now, because I read somewhere in Eragon that Brom was more than 100 years old (b/c he is a dragon rider by training). If it didnt say that, then it was a clue.
So I think Morzan is. I know you may see a lot of things that you can prove wrong in my very badly explained theory, but I just have a feeling that Murtagh was telling the truth.

Brom could still have been his father, even if he was over a hundred years old. Think about it logically (everybody run for cover, the most unlogical person on the planet is talking logic), he could have been in love with Selena, no matter his age, they could have met somewhere one night and nine months later we have Eragon. Just because he was old enough to be her grandfather, doesn't mean they couldn't have loved each other and had Eragon together. Kind of grodey in my opinion, but they did out of love and gave each other the ultimate token of love, in the elves opinion.

Absolutely. You are completely right. Going back a little earlier, it is NOT possible to lie in the ancient language. What can be done is make the ancient language SEEM like the truth but it really means something else. It is loosely the truth, but not exactly the truth.

I am extremely sorry to not share your point, but Galby is a very strong king and the twins are pretty strong magicians. ahem ahem. So if the twins and Galby get it wrong, I don't see who can get it right.