How did Eragon lose. He is almost an elf and he still didn't win and if saphira is older the Thorn why did she lose!!!! Grr I am so confused!!!

CP did that to make it a challange for Eragon

I voted Murtagh cause he really is stronger if u think about considering the fact he was trained by a man who over a century to hone his skills and Eragon was trained by a gimp. Even with the transformation I expected him to lose

Murtagh anf Thorn DID WIN! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! O yeah

well first Murtagh has been learning from Galbatorix second eragon was very exhausted from the hours he had already fought

I wanted Eragon and Saphira to win, but I kind of knew they weren't going to. ******, the thing at the end of the fight about Za'roc and Morzan (avoiding a HUGE spoiler for those who haven't read it) just blew my MIND!!!!

it was rather obvious lol. Any half wit reading eragon can figure that out ahaha. Every1 on wyrda knew months before eldest was released. Mayby longer. Murtagh was completly rested, and out classes Eragon at magic. Thorn will have had training from younger age and is a male, so likely larger. Also Thorn was rested, so Saphira mayby should have won, but Eragon should have lost.

If Eragon was rested he might've killed murtagh before even finding out it was him

Murtagh would use magic before letting that happen.

yes but still he might have killed murtagh with his own magic

Who would kill the king then?

Eragon would kill the king i think Glenwing meant murtagh would use magic to stop Eragon not kill him

i had always thought Murtagh and Thorn would win coz they were trained by Galbatorix while Eragon was trained by The Cripple Who is Whole. Murtagh began his training a little before Eragon.
Anyway, Murtagh winning is a better ending than Eragon winning coz nearly every book says, " Good guys always bash up the evil guys."

this ending (evil win, not the other way round) is better.

lmao no its not. Evil always wins until the very end when good overcomes hard odds to win... thats the second book, which is why that happened. That wont happen again in the next book.

yeah listen to glenwing he knows what he's talkin about

thank you frodo

no i wanna be gandalf!

okay gandalf the grey

k until i die and come back to life then i will be


GANDALF THE WHITE

unless I kill you, if u have any sense u'll stay dead

thats the problem i have no sense

I mean Eragon would have easily killed Murtagh because of his extensive trainig in magic and body conditioning. Plus he had elven strength and his magic was enhanced. he should of Killed murtagh in like 2 blows but he was exhausted so i can see how he lost but i dont get how saphira lost since shes older, been trained longer, more battle experience, AND shes the only one supposed to be able to breathe fire because the first time she did it was in the battle with the shade. and Murtagh got captured 3 days later so even if he was taken to galbatorix that very same day which is unlikely, He still was tortured for a while then the egg hatched for him and they had to swear oaths there is no way that thorn was 6 months or older by the time he fought saphira, so he shoulnd't of been able to breathe fire, Besides being weaker, no fire, and smaller, saphira is smarter ^^. she should of beat him to a pulp. Why did Nasuda and Eragon agree that Murtagh is stronger then him when he is most clearly NOT. even if murtagh is stronger in magic because of Galbotorix he doesjn't have elven strength and when Eragon was human he and Murtagh were evenly matched how could becomming stronger make him weaker it doesn't add up i think Paolini screwed it up just to make the ending happen that he wanted cuz its not feasible with all the stuff we know

To some up Phrixos' long rant there, Eragon and Saphira should have won because Eragon is basically an Elf, and Murtagh a human. Saphira is old, wiser, and stronger than Thorn too. Eragon was to exhausted from the battle and could not match Murtughs skill. If he had fought Murtagh at the beginning of the battle, he probably would have won.

Remember Murtagh is a lot older than Eragon... and Thorn was bigger than Saphira. Had Eragon been at full strenght, it would have been a close match, but I don't know who the winner would have been.

Saphira was bigger than thorn it says so in the book that the dragon was smaller than saphira. I think had Eragon been at full strength he would of demolished murtagh and thorn. BUT why did eragon admit that 2 dragon riders were stronger than him, Murtagh and Galb. when only galb. is

Eragon wouldn't of killed him. Eragon traveld half the world with him he isn't the type of person who just kills people who get in his way i mean he knew murtagh and at the beggining of the books he didn't even want to kill anything let alone his friend\brother.

yes that's right. first of all eragon would feel shock and kinda lost his mood to battle. Well--it's like u oposing ur bestfriend on a life and death battle it should be very dificult especially eragon really longing to see murtagh. CP didn't make any mistake on that kind of plot, it's simply increased our curiousity of what will happen on his next book.

He did try to kill murtagh even AFTER he found out it was him

eragon would give murtagh mercy then murtagh would attack him

This is also the way I see it. Before the battle we we told how strong Murtag was defending his mind. But somehow I think that maybe his mother, Selena, had something to do with training him to close his mind. Morzan taught her and I recall that not even Galbatorix was able to find her when she dissappeared. So maybe she taught him. Murtag was fresh and refresh when he confronted Eragon. Eragon had been battling since dawn and had used a lot of energy in order to build up the wards that were protecting Saphira, Arya, Nasuada, Orik and himself. This alone drained power. I don't think Eragon defeating Murtag under these circumstances would have been believable to the reader.

No-one exactly won
the fight was a device to reveal Murtagh
and to scare Eragon
Also to show that Eragon still had a lot of training to do before he could kill Galbatorix

good point i agree Werewolf guy

thats right but is it possiable that eragon might be able to get murtagh to swich back

Eragon and saphira should have won as the good guy always wins lol. i guess that saying is not true but i think they deserve to win after all they have been through.

well murtagh of course

i mean when he WASNT a rider he matched eragon who WAS A RIDER FOR ABOUT 4 MONTHS

which is sad and the fact hes been traind by galby is even worse

after eragons..."transformation" he wouldve won...had he noit been traind by the black king himself

In this matter, I think Christopher Paolini is a GREAT writer who spun an amazing plot. Although I love the book and the plot and the characters and all but I am quite dissapointed coz' I miss the satisfying feeling that i get everytime I finish a book (coz' the good guys win after some great struggle.) I can only compensate myself with the part where Eragon beat the hell outta Vadir .(or whatever that elf was named) Really, although I KNEW what would happen in the end, I am still a bit grumpy with Mr. CP coz' he described with such detail how Eragon's training proceeded and how he kept on improving his skills but STILL he LOSES IN THE END.... MR. GREAT WRITER (CP), if you are actually reading this post by one of ur truest fans, u betta giv me that satisfying feeling in the THIRD book or I'll be coming after ya!!!! (And yes, My swords will stay sharp until then)

count me in too! if anything bad happens to Arya, I'm gonna KILL him!

If Eragon was rested, then he would have kicked butt in the sword fight!

yes, except those little, or big victories in the middle of the story

I think that Murtagh and Thorn wouldve won because firstly They didnt do as much fighting, and secondly, Murtagh is now a little more skilled in magic. Im not so sure about thorn however. I think that saphira would beat him any day. but then Murtagh wouldve used magic on Saphira so i think that Murtagh and thorn wouldve won overall. Just my opinion.

I totally agree with you, Pomfret. Murtagh could have conquered both Eragon and Saphira's physical ability with his magic since he learned so much from Galbatorix. If you ask me, Thorn is too fresh to be able to stand a chance against Saphira. And this is juz my opinion, I really think Oromis (The Cripple Who Is Whole) focussed more on educating Eragon's morality and humanity than his magical prowress. (This could be seen clearly by how he teaches Eragon to meditate, create fairths and such)

even though my opinion is true. i really hate to say the bad guys would do better than the good guys.

as an honor, i agree with pomfret

I have to agree with Pomfret..

and someone agrees with me...

yeah, except for the sword fighting, but when Eragon would have started winning, Murtagh would have used magic anyways.

evil guys always have nasty tricks up their sleeves that are unfair fighting. Thats why i despise them so much. grrrrr

evil people make me mad.

Evil as Murtagh is in Eldest, I can't help feeling sorry for him. He's really forced to do Galbatorix's bidding. And if Eragon says to me "Let us kill u both", I'll react juz like Murtagh. I WON"T throw away my life, even if some evil king is forcing me to do his dirty work. Furthermore, I really liked Murtagh's character when I read "Eragon", I thought he was perfect as Eragon's brother, companion and friend

well it happens in good books.

i always liked murtagh
and i feel sorry for him
i also think he is the screamer on the beach
I hope he doesn't get kiled at the end
or end up like brom
all sad with the memory of a dead dragon
that would be tragic

The memory of a dead dragon wouldnt be pleasent for me either.

Talking of dragons, I wonder how Thorn felt when Saphira screamed at him. "EGG-BREAKER, OATH-BREAKER, MURDERER!!!" And what was the OATH Saphira was talking about???

I think she was referring to Galby
he aligned himself with galby
galby broke his oath by going evil and crowining himself king
and all that

Ok, so who thinks Murtagh is gonna turn good at the end of the story? Who else thinks Murtagh is gonna die an honourable death as a hero in the end? Or anyone thinks he's gonna die as an evil person in the end? Or, maybe Murtagh COULD be the one who finally kills Galbatorix WITH Eragon.... I LIKE THIS ONE!!!!

really i dont think murtagh shouldve won...he was an elf eragon was!!

Sorry if anyone said this, but i didn't want to read the whole 4 pages

-Eragon and Saphira

Eragon, who is basically half elf "wouldve" won had they not been exhausted, But Having traveled from Dras Leona to Tronjheim with Murtagh and remembering that Murtagh DID save his life, I dont think Eragon "tried" hard enough. Sort of like the Vrael and Galbatorix thing. In Doru Areaba, Vrael DEFEATED Galbatorix, but he hesitated on the final blow causing his ultimate death.


-Murtagh and Thorn

Thorn was bigger than Saphira, but that doesn't mean too much. Thorn was well rested while Eragon and Saphira had used all of their energy fighting the wizards/witches/enchanters/magic users in Galbatorix's army (while killing the army). Remember that in Eragon Murtagh was evenly matched. Eragon could not have improved too much by just turning into an elf. Murtagh would also recieve this benefit and Murtagh has the "greatest dragonrider" at the time to help him. Besides that Murtagh knew the spells that Galbatorix taught him that The Cripple couldn't teach Eragon. Sorta like in Harry Potter with the forbidden spells right?

All this added together with the fact that Eragon winning would sort of ruin the story would eventually lead to the fact that Murtagh would win.[/i]

Actally, you probably mean Saphira was bigger than Thorn, not the other way round. And I think Saphira would beat Thorn, yes, because of her size and aerial skill. However, Murtagh had incredible strength in magic, he could crush Eragon, rested or not.

Yes, because Murtagh has most of Galbatorix's knowledge in magic if not all since he is Galbs only hope.

Murtagh and Thorn, no doubt about it.

Basically

They should've one without a doubt.

what is " and he's a male" supossed to mean
i voted saphira because every1 knows in the end eragon and saphira will eventually win and murtagh will be good again

Not going to happen. Most of the time the guy that turns evil and turns good at the end of the book usually dies.

hey people i hate to make this refrence but this is kinda like star wars most of us have just finished the second movie. and are waiting for the third one, and as the great ref. mels lain would say "LET'S GET IT ON"

The third ones out! Wait, the fourth fifth and sixth ones are out too!!!

hey shadowagent 0 you know what i mean the origanal three not the new ones.

Third ones still out.

u r missing my whole point in the empire did luke not lose a friend (in this book it happened a little earlier) also did he not get betrade? my point is the secound movie or in this case is just to give adversity for the good guys to over come!

But I think this one is way better.

Murtagh will win, but Eragon will cheap shot him.

Murtagh will have Eragon on the ropes, and NASUADA will cheep shot him. That would be like, so great. Nasuada kills Murtagh. Liking the sound of that.

not a fan of starwars but was just saying that i see the same thing and different things also

I doubt that Eragon would stoop that low. But personally, im expecting a star wars like ending. the whole friend sacrifices himself to give other friend a chance in defeating evil thing.

but which person will pull the darth?

Murtagh already has. But I would like it if he could join back up with Eragon though.

Agreed, Eragon and Murtagh should be together but i wont be too surprised if Murtagh does the Darth

Eragon has no honor code that disallows that. Murtagh will defeat him and go on one of those I'm the best rants, Eragon defeats Murtagh there. That or Saphira gets him.

I think he already has but I hope he just returns back to Eragon's side after Galby is killed.

i think it'll be before galby dies

I don't think he'll be able to get out of his vows though.

hey, what if eragon finds the grey folk and convince them to break th;e vow. then murtagh can become good again and he can teach every1 galby's skills.

Eragon & Saphira lost because, they were both exhausted from fighting, and Murtagh & Thorn probably hadn't fought at all.

yea, that and the fact that murtagh knows more magic

yep. Eragon and Saphira were weak after long battling hours and also Eragon was shocked when facing Murtagh. He came to the war partly to revenge for Murtagh's death then he regconised he's fighting with the one he's mourning for

Yeah. Galb would just make Murtagh fight.

Thorn and Murtagh should've won because if Eragon won, there wouldn't be anything special about Murtagh becoming a Dragon Rider.

I dont think CP should have made murtagh that strong but maybe murtagh was using his powers to the extreme just to show how powerfull galbtorix is yet he isnt that as powerful as they think.
Safira should have beet thorn but mutagh could beet saffire and Eragon.

I think CP shoulda made him heaps stronger. I think its awesome that he won the fight between eragon and him though. I hate it when the good guys always win.

I like mutagh but he could have just ownt the whole army if he wanted to
eragon couldnt even move... ERAGON!

I don't think murty wanted to really hurt anyone. Especially not his brother.

I said he Could have, so i dont think CP should have made him any more stronger.

Murty must of grown so powerful through the vault of souls. Eragon doesn't even know about that yet so that's why he was defeated - murty was using supernatural forces.

What does the vault of souls do? i doesnt say anything in book

we don't know that he grew powerful from the vault of souls, it could just be that galby taught murtagh the dark magic he knows. But there must be a way thorn grew that fast, because he breathed fire at a younger age than Saphira. Also the fact that thorn grew faster than Saphira too.

Actually in eldest it says something like this: "Eragon heard strange sounds in murty, like multiple consciencious (souls) in murty's head, they were begging for release.
That is where it mentions the souls.

CP tells us in the next book how thorn matures.

ty for info on vault

I think that probably has something to do with the vault of souls aswell.
Anyway if eragon had the power of the souls aswell he woulda probably beaten murty on the burning plains.

i think that if eragon was rested when he fought murtagh they might have killed each other

one possible reasons why murt. is so strong.
we were introduced to a new concept of absorbing life force from living beings, galb. has a massive army, who will question the loss of a thousand men or prisoners.
the life forces could be stored in gems.
this power could be used to accelerate thorns growth and increase murt. strength as well as his speed in healing thorn.
this could also be why galb. is getting stronger and more reckless’ in magic, after all he is not spending his own life source.

just pondering

well, ya know murtagh and thorn got some sort of secret method to increase their power so i think they should have won either way. just because eragon's a half elf now and saphira's older doesn't mean they're gonna win. think of it this way: when galby rose to power, the elves tried to defeat him, but they lost and retreated into du weldenvarden. murtagh is almost as powerful as galby, and eragon is just HALF elf. how do you expect him to defeat murtagh and thorn even with saphira's help?

Murtagh is novice in his job. Think how long was he learning his skills? And he still sucks! Maybe Galby can teach few badly overpowered tricks but he shouldn't been able to do it in such a short time. Murtagh must be a genius