me and my friend were talkin and we were think that maybe eragon might figure out away to break the AL soo that murtag can break his promise... what do yall think?

yes, there are ways, i do so belive.

Aye.. there may be a way but hat good would it do?

As murtagh said, Galby-boy knows his true name.

if eragon learns his true name, he could break it. otherwise, i dont know.

If he learns it... I feel sorry for Murtagh lol... It'll be a huge custody battle.

By the way, it could be a great idea! a very original one!

i hope earagon learns it i mean it be like good ol times but he could not and might have to kill him maybe he does learn it but only a part of it and need help from some els or something......

that would be interesting

Didn't oromis say that it was possible to break this kind of thing? that's why eragon was going to lift his blessing on that girl.

Correct me if im wrong but I thought it was if you knew the AL's name not his that would allow you to gain power and break stuff like that but that would be cool if he did break the oath.


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yeah you can break the ancient language but i thought you had to be better than the person who placed the spell in magic.

If you know the AL true name you controll the launguage (Great magic) and control over those who use it. So if eragon obtains the name of the AL then he can easily make murtough free.

remember the vault of souls maybe he speaks his name and then gets the power of the first eragon and then his mom comes out and tells him his true name

no because he wont know his name so he cant open the vault. He has to be told his AL name before the vault of souls because any joe could say eragon and open it u must say your al name like in most aspects of a rider

exactly he is himself so he should know his AL name duhhhh i mean if u didnt know he musta been hit in the head hard when he was born

all im saying is he isnt going to find his name at the vault he might find something else but he will need to know his name or it wont open

i know but the point is if he does know his AL name then he could open it u know. ok like this he has to know it or else hes got prblems (no offese)

He doesnt know his AL name because if he did he would have been strong enough to defeat murtogh. Murtogh told him that he knows his AL name thats why hes much more powerful than him. So eragon will need to find his true name from an elf because hes techniqually still human. And supposedly elfs can tell humans there true name. So after obtaining the sword from the menoa then finding his true name he will go to the vault of souls and find something else

ok i agree with u on that part but it brings up another question where is the vault of souls

The elfs will know so i think they would guide him. Do you think that he will find the AL true name in the vault of souls?

no cuase then he couldent open it in the first place

No the name that brom spoke of the name of the anchient launguage and will give you great power

oh but remember he said that not even the elves remembered that otherwise a singal elf could take on galby himself.

But elfs are neutral they wouldnt just attack galby like that

maybe so but remember Isalandi <sp> siad that she was foolish and now would ally with the varden even so they no galby is coming soooo if they new it when he finnaly arrived that elf or elfs would then attack him

probably because they would have no problem defending themselves so when im thinking about it the vault of souls will not have a name within it. Because if he learns the AL true name it wont be a good story because he will be able to kill galby like a fly and he will need to know his Al name to open it. SO its prolly not a name but perhaps a spirit like the first rider

sure i thought of that but then u put up he would need to know his AL name first

Yea lifes a **** lol so he wont find a name i believe what do you think Saphira75?

i know i agree with u it might make the story more interesting to

good point it might make the story more interesting to

my guess is a spirit of some sort

yeah but what like........ it just hit me!!!!!!!!! when eragon said good by to ormis he promissed he would come back then when he comesback TA-DA he learns his REAL name and finds the vault of souls

I think he will NEED to pick up his true name some where but i dont think ormois will just tell him lol. He will be like listen to the wind whistling threw the trees and the ants and all living creatures. What are they saying to you?

If there is a way to reverse the curse / blessing on Elva, wouldn't breaking an oath be similar?

Also, if Galbatorix is able to learn Thorn and Murtagh's true names, what's to say he does not know/ can't find out Saphira and Eragon's?

Hmmm i dont know if he knows mortoghs and thorns true names because i doubt they knew either, and i think aquiring ones true name is a difficult task. And that makes sense about the oath it could be done

Murtagh told Eragon that Galbatorix knew his and Thorn's true names.

I thought the only way to know your true name as a human was to ask an elf

the only way to know your true name as a human is to discover it for yourself, although elves have the natural ability to know true names so it is also possible to let an elf tell you your true name if you find an elf who is willing

Eragon is part elf, maybe it will be easier for him to find his true name?

I dont think hes part elf at all... ive tryed saying that but people throw me down... hes a human with elf speed strength awareness and some features... hes a kinda hybrid

an elf doesnt have to tell u. ive heard somewhere in the books it said there is a certain very complicated spell that oonly elves know

nicho is right hes not an elf its just since hes beem aroung saphira that long the dragon magic changed him so he has all the elfs abllitys

no we are talking about the transformation after the menoa tree and the elves changed him but yea im still right lol

after what Svit-Kona said, i belive that you dont have to be elf to know your true name. i am certain there is a spell of some sort that lets you know your true name, or else how would have murtagh and thorn found out their true names.

Who says murtagh and thorn know their true names? Galby does, but they might not. Anyway, if only the elves know the spell, you would have to ask them anyway!

The weapon that his under the tree could very be the way to find his own name or the name of the ancient language, because no body seems to know that there is a weapon there. I am not sure about that so don't say I told you that but I think I read once that someone could maybe come back in the last book

thats also a possibility

its not been confirmed but it is a popular theory... I think it will be a sword, he needs one and right now it fulfils the prophesy. And Rhunon made a vow...in ancient language so she aint helping.

she said that she would never create another one of these swords, but she could always tell someone how to do one.

Or the other 2 swords that are left. She said they were gaurded by families . . .

Just think about it, do you think if one of your releative would have been an dragonrider and he died and you had his/her sword do you think you would have given it away.

Maybe not, but if your relative was killed, you'd want revenge, wouldn't you?

i would. so your saying that the families of the riders had the two swords would want revenge, therefore giving one of them to Eragon and the other to the next rider to help defeat Galbatorix?

If there will be a next rider, the last dragon egg will go to saphira and if you read that part in eragon where eragon as a vision of someone leaving and two dragons flying the sky. Maybe saphira and egg 3???

yes, im sure of that.

Didnt eragon say he would find a way to break the oath or alter it so it wont work anymore?

I have an idea how Murtagh can break his oath to Galbatorix:

Literally, what you say in the ancient language must be true. So, if Murtagh said 'I swear to serve Galbatorix for life' he would have to do every bloody, every evil, every disgusting deed that Galbatorix made him do, right?

WRONG.

You see, it all depends on what Murtagh said: 'I swear to SERVE Galbatorix', not 'I swear to do every bloody, every evil, every disgusting deed that Galbatorix tells me to do'.

So, if he were to break the oath, he could. He said that he would SERVE Galbatorix, but not in what way. He didn't specify how he would serve him. There are many ways in which a person can serve someone: in a restaurant, even!!! He could always keep serving him by cooking his dinner every day! That would be serving him. He wouldn't have to do every bloody, every evil, every disgusting deed that Galbatorix made him do. He could serve him differently. All he'd have to do is find a way to serve him that will fulfill his oath and make sure Galbatorix doesn't suspect anything.

It's an easy way out and something that many people miss.

Good point, but what's with the penguin?!

The penguin? Oh. I just love the picture. Glad you agree with me. Now, I must be off. Byee.

You have found a loophole

...I found a loophole? I was rather under the impression that something like that was written in one of the books...? They were talking about the AL and someone said something about being ways of not speaking the truth or something. So it wasn't a completely new find, but thanks...it's good to know that people agree with me (for once).

"I had no choice! snarled Murtagh. "And after Thorn hatched for me, Galbatorix forced both of us to swear loyalty to hin in the ancient language. We cannot disobey him now." (Eldest, p.647) the key word here is "swear loyalty to Galbatorix" Both of them are bonded by their sworn loyalty.

Then further in the book we learn of Murtag's anguished outburst.

"You cannot help me, Eragon. No one but Galbatorix can release us from our oaths, and he will never do that... He knows our true names, Eragon.... We are his slaves forever." Eldest, Page 650

I don't think Galbatorix would have not thought of ways to bind them tighter than this, even if Eragon, Arya and even Oromis could disolve the oath made in the ancient language. UNLESS Oromis as the Dragon Rider of old knows more than CP has let us learn.

Oromis can netualise bonds and curses

fair point. So does that mean my idea still works? Or has that been smashed by the text in the book?

No your loophole holds out

just to point out, eragon used that loop. the varden cuncil wanted him to swear to them, not nasuada.
he promised to swear, just not to who. so he swore to nasuada instead.

AHA!!! I found another loophole! He swore loyalty to Galbatorix, but STILL. He did NOT swear to do all the bloody evil disgusting deeds of his, just to be LOYAL. Loyalty isn't just about carrying out people's orders, is it? It's about other things too. He doesn't have to carry out orders. Being loyal is also about doing the RIGHT thing. YOU don't go doing every order that your best friend tells you to do just because you're loyal to them do you?

arya-saphira, I love you!!! I totally agree with you!!! What you say is SO true!!! Glad to know the loophole still holds out.

Please don't double post.

the only way her could really do it is if he find out HIS real name which i dont think will happen in the last book, its possable i just dont think it will happen, it would be really cool if it did happen though

I agree. That loophole is one I've noticed before. Only one problem and it has nothing to do with the oath. It's the fact that galby knows Murtagh's real name... We all know this from what Brom told Eragon in the first book. A person's true name is thier name of power. If someone else knew that name, that person would have control over that other person. So even if there is a loophole, galby is still in control of Murtagh. Unless... Unless galby DOESN'T know Murtagh's real name! I'll go make a poll about that right away.